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there's no fundamental difference than slamming the obama justice department lawyers or anyone else. >> thank you for your insights on this tonight. >> good to be with you. that will have to do it for this tuesday edition of "countdown." i'm lawrence o'donnell in for keith olbermann. our msnbc coverage continues now with "the rachel maddow show." sitting in for rachel is chris hayes. >> thank you for staying with us for the next hour. i am not rachel maddow. i am chris hayes. we begin tonight with the white house returning its rhetorical firepower on the softest of farg targets as they make their final push for health reform. >> we need a system to work for the american people not just
work for the insurance companies. the president wants to make the case again for what happens if we walk away, what happens if we start over? if we walk away and start over, individuals continue to get letters watching their health insurance go up again, 39, 60, 20%. >> that was robert gibbs taking aim at the health insurance industry, just one day after his boss led that charge to pretty dramatic effect. >> every year the problem gets worse. every year insurance companies deny more people coverage because they've got pre-existing conditions. every year they draw more people's coverage when they get sick, right when they need it most. every year they raise premiums higher and higher and higher. that's the status quo in america. and it is a status quo that is
unsustainable for this country. we can't have a system that works better for the insurance companies than it does for the american people. >> health insurance companies have clearly become enemy number one for president obama and democrats as they try to finish off health reform. that's a status it turns out that the health care companies are not at all happy about. today the health insurance industry's lobbying arm acknowledged it's about to launch a million dollar advertising campaign to essentially defend itself. an ad campaign that will focus on setting the record straight about rising health care costs. with headlines across the country about double-digit rate hikes, the health insurance industry has an image problem on its hands. the only group less popular than wall street executives at this point is, i think, health insurance executives. case in point, today the health insurance industry kicked off its annual policy conference in washington, d.c.. probably not helping their cause
much, they decided to hold their two-day conference at washington, d.c.,'s glitzy ritz-carlton hotel. the health insurance executives weren't alone, they were joined by a thousand protesters from the labor unions. the protesters wrapped the entrance in corporate crime scene tape and depicted the bodies of dozens of insurance victims killed by big insurance. among those protesting today was a doctor from vermont, who also happens to be the former chairman of the democratic party. >> this is a vote about one thing, are you for the insurance companies or are you for the american people? >> yes! >> the republicans are for the insurance companies, let's have a vote right now and say we need a final vote, the president is right, we deserve the american people deserve a final vote. let's see who we stand with
here. >> joining us now is howard dean, he's a consultant for democracy for america and a contributor to cnbc. thanks for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me on. >> how much blame do health insurance companies hold for rising costs? >> they really are a heartless industry, they really do push people off the rolls who need health care. i heard a story yesterday, i was in new hampshire campaigning for paul hodds. a lady came up to me who had been pushed off rolls. she was sick, she had cancer, she couldn't work because she was getting chemo and radiation. the insurance company dropped her. it happens again and again and again. when i gave the speech at dupont circle, i gave a picture of a
33-year-old who couldn't get a colonoscopy and he needed one, he died a year later. the insurance industry cares more about what their quarterly earnings are than they care about what their insurers are getting in coverage. >> in either version of the reform bills, the insurance industry claims they're in favor of reform. we know they've been funneling money toward anti-health reform ads. what sort of reform are they in favor of. >> the bill treats the insurance industry better than i would. they force several tens of millions of americans to buy their product. and they don't really fim the problem as well as it ought to be fixed. the house is going to go through this reconciliation process, so they can have a straightup
majority vote on this, the house bill is fairly good. i'm really hoping very much that the house will fix this, 40 democratic senators have now signed on to a public option. the obvious public option is to allow people who are under 65 to buy into medicare. everybody understands it, you already have the system working. you can sign people up within months of the president signing the bill. i'm hoping that's going to get into the reconciliation bill, and we're going to have that as part of this. if you put that in, it solves almost every problem the insurance companies create. when people get choices, the insurance companies will have to clean up their act. >> what's interesting, all the movements toward medicare buy-in -- you know, you had said earlier in december, when the senate bill was passed, you were arguing pretty vocally, and i thought persuasively to kill the senate version of the bill.
do you still feel that way, or has something changed now and then that even if that is the version of the bill that is the core of it, you would be willing to support it. >> what they agreed to do, because the republicans have been so obstructionist and are now able to kill the bill, we don't have to live with just the senate version of the bill. we pass the senate version of the bill of the house, and the democrats in the senate have agreed to pass something in addition to that. you can put back some of the stuff that the senate took out, then this would be once again a decent bill. i was very much in favor of the house bill, but not so much the senate bill, because it really does -- there's a lot of goodies in there for the insurance companies, and goodies for the insurance companies mean baddies for the american people. >> how optimistic are you about the prospects for either medicare buy-in -- >> i think it should be done. it's smart politics for the democrats. if you don't put it in there, the democrats are going to have
to explain this phil for two more election cycles. if you do put it in there, as long as it's a medicare buy-in, then the president doesn't have to explain. the other thing, you don't really need a public -- you don't really need an individual mandate. we've done all this stuff that's being talked about in the senate. except we've done it better than it's been proposed. we don't have an individual mandate, but we have 96% of our kids under 18 with health insurance. it allows you to sign your kids up for medicaid if you make less than $66,000 a year. that works fine, is it better with an individual mandate? yeah a little bit, i think it's going to be a political problem. there's changes that can be made. and i think the house is going to be making changes and make it a better bill. i would like to see something passed. i'm tired of being pushed around
by the far right wing of the republican party. we had a chance for bipartisanship, the president opened his hand and got it slapped, and i think it's time to have an up or down vote, let's see who's with the insurance companies or who's with the american people. >> howard dean, democratic chairman of the national committee, thank you very much for your time. >> thanks for having me on. if health reform is finally going to happen this year, democrats have one giant obstacle standing in their way, his name is bart stupak. bart stupak has threatened to pretty much anyone who will listen, to bring down the health reform bill if the anti-abortion language he prefers is not in it. and bart stupak says he's not just speaking for bart stupak, he's speaking for the stupak dozen. >> there are at least 12 of us who voted for health care who have indicated to the leadership and others, and unless you fix this abortion language, we can't vote for a final version of the
bill. >> as democrats in the house scramble to find every last vote they can to pass health reform, a 12-vote block may be the single biggest obstacle they face. he said yesterday, i'm more optimistic than i was a week ago, i think we can get there. so where exactly is there? joining us now is democratic congresswoman diana degette of colorado. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> congressman stupak claims the bill would allow for the federal funding of abortion. is that correct? >> he's completely wrong. the house version that we passed -- or the one we considered before his amendment had a compromise that we reached in my committee, this kept the status quo in place. because we want this to be a health care bill not an abortion
bill. we agreed that we would keep current law that says no federal funding for abortion. that language was also contained in the senate version that was passed, there's nothing in the law as it stands right now that would allow federal funding for abortion. >> congressman stupak appears to be negotiating behind the scenes here. is there room for any kind of deal? it sounds like there was a deal struck, is there room for a deal now with congressman stupak. >> we are always willing to talk to congressman stupak and anybody else. the prochoice caucus which has 190 members has really said we're not going to agree to final legislation that restricts a woman's right to choose beyond current law period. and what congressman stupak wants to do is to ban people who want to buy insurance with their own private money in these insurance exchanges from doing so. and that would be a vast
expansion of a restriction on a woman's right to chose, and we can't agree to that. >> with the members of your caucus, if there was some deal struck, if the final legislation looked more like things that were in the stupak amendment, the version of the senate bill, would those 190 members really vote against the ultimate health reform bill? >> after congressman stupak passed his amendment in the house version, which said nobody could buy insurance in these exchanges with their own private dollars if it included abortion coverage, i circulated a letter and the letter simply said, we are not going to vote for a final version of the bill if it restricts a woman's right to chose. i've gone back and checked with all those 40 people, plus additional people who say if a final bill restricts a woman's right to choose beyond current law, we're not going to vote for the bill.
and so i think -- i mean, we can't use this as a vehicle to restrict a woman's right to chose. history shows that if we pass a restriction on a woman's right to chose, we'll never get that back. we think women should be entitled to have a full range of reproductive services under their insurance. they have it now, they can go out and buy insurance policies with their own money that gives them full reproductive services. we believe they should be able to get that under this bill too. we don't think we should give up a woman's right to chose as a devil's bargain to get health care. >> diana degette, thank you. karl rove is peddling his version of the bush years. wayne slater joins me for that next. plus, later, the internal split the tea party doesn't want you to talk about. stay with us.
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welcome back. i'm chris hayes in for rachel maddow who has the night off. karl rove has written a book. "courage and consequence my life as a conservative in the fight." to sell it he went on "the today show" this morning, where he tried to explain away the bush administration's mishandling of hurricane katrina. >> the president of the united states, if he had dropped into new orleans that morning would have discombobulated the recovery efforts. rather than a cargo plane coming in with rescue people -- >> but that picture was worse than -- >> we should have gone to baton rouge, which is where the governor was, and that's where we should have gone. >> you also write in the book, we did not have the ability to get realtime information so did
not realize the initial reports we were getting were wrong. this is the president of the united states. did anyone at the white house turn on the tv? >> the media did not have realtime information, the media led people to believe that there were snipers. so as a result, rescue personnel refused to go into some of the -- >> we looked at the suffering in these places. >> that's the point. you didn't know about the suffering at the convention center until the government did, the government should have known about it earlier. >> you didn't know about the suffering at the convention center until the government did. but according to someone who was there mr. rove still doesn't have his story straight about what happened in the aftermath of hurricane katrina. nbc news photojournalist tony zimbada, who shot that terrible scene at the convention center exclusive for nbc news told us today that it was nbc news that called then fema director michael brown to alert him to the scene there. until that moment, brown didn't
know about the convention center. joining us now is wayne slater, senior political writer for the dallas morning news and coauthor of "bush's brain how karl rove made george w. bush presidential." thanks for being here. >> great to be with you, chris. >> when he said hurricane katrina -- >> it didn't take me long before i found the first one. he talks about a 1990 race in which he was running against a liberal democrat in texas, an acquaintance of his, the fbi agent came in to discuss this race, there were embarrassing disclose ours in the newspaper. in his book, rove says i didn't have anything to do with this, in fact i was just reading the newspaper to find out what was going on each day. well, i'm one of the reporters that carl was calling.
and giving him information, myself and colleagues. he was very actively, trust me -- he was very actively involved. but the other thing that karl does is let's falsehood go without correcting it. either denies a different argument. the biggest example in the book that i've seen so far is really scott mcclellan. scott mcclellan asked him, were you involved in the disclosing of the fbi agent. it really hurt scott mcclellan, it reminded me about seeing in animal house where the sf fraternity guys flounder, we will hurt your car over his trust when they wreck the car, the fraternity guys say, you screwed up, you shouldn't have trusted us. >> well, the plame affair was one of the iconic examples of
official malfeasance with the truth. the other big one was weapons of mass destruction. rove writes in his book that without the threat of wmd, the bush administration would have sought other ways to constrain saddam hussein. yet the vice president dick cheney disagrees the war wouldn't have happened if they had known there were no w.m.d.s, who should we believe here? >> that's a great question, i have either rove or cheney. >> it's the devil's choice. >> i think i believe karl in this case. and the reason i believe karl is, because of colin powell. colin powell has subsequently said that when he was sent -- when he tried to investigate all the evidence, that he didn't get all the evidence. he didn't get specific information, and specific information about one of the key sources about saddam hussein's alleg alleged cache of weapons of mass
destruction. if colin powell had never gotten that information, he never would have gone to the u.n. and made the speech, he never would have gone to war, and i think karl's right. >> i'm putting a tick mark here in my true/false column. rove also writes, "i have the common add jek curve, there's something called a rovian style of campaign and it's meant as an insult." he goes on to defend his campaign effort. you've done a lot of digging around what rovian means and where that comes from. can you remind us why that term exists and does karl rove deserve it? >> he absolutely deserves it. it began years and years ago in texas in the late 80s and early 90s, it became conventional wisdom among the political reporters that when a campaign that karl was involved with erupted in dirty tricks or some
kind of underhanded episode, then it was the mark of rove. that was what it used to be called 20 years ago in texas. if you look at the entire history of karl rove, he began his career as a young republican with lee atwater teaching dirty tricks and seminars. there were smears -- in the same year, exactly the same thing with a judge in alabama. you look at the south carolina attack on john mccain, the whiser campaign and the swift voting for john kerry. the same thing happened in every case, one, karl rove was the consultant the. two, he denied any responsibility for any of it, and three, karl's candidates benefited. i think the nature of the rovian campaign is very well established. >> wayne slater, senior political writer for the dallas morning news, thank you so much for your time tonight.
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heidi montague, and here i am. so welcome to montag talk. our inaugural segment finds the bizarre pseudo celebrity world heidi lives in intersecting the one the rest of us live in. heidi montag is putting every bit of her substantial power into pushing for a consumer financial protection agency. >> the hidden fees and standard interest rate increases that $11,000 job ad can cost you upwards of $50,000. being in debt for elective surgery is bad enough, but when i think about the thousands of americans whose only method of paying for food is their credit cards, it's enough to make me cry without moving my new face. that's why i support the creation of a consumer agency to help protect average citizens
and reality stars alike. a consumer agency will stop banks and credit card companies from being such sleazy jerks. call your senators and tell them to hold big wall street banks accountable and fight for consumer protection. >> why does this proposed consumer watchdog agency need heidi's help? because the senator in charge of the banking committee is working on a financial reform compromise with bob corker, and senator corker said on the record going into those negotiations that he could not support a stand alone consumer financial protection agency. in other words, senator dodd is very likely whittling away at the consumer agency to try to bring corker on board. the best evidence yet that that's going on, news from senator corker today that they almost reached a deal on the agency. here for your viewing pleasure is his warmup victory lap on cnbc today. >> i don't think we ought to try
to pass legislation that solves every problem in the world. i think when we do that, we end up with things like what's happening right now with health care reforms. >> in fact the financial reform debate is a lot like health care reform to be. but not for the reason bob corker says. here's the real analogy. the new public option. both the public option and the consumer agency would have meant major changes for a major industry. both industries have half heartedly pretended to support reform in theory, but fought tooth and nail against it. that one piece of reform would have meant a new source of power over them. something independent and something they couldn't subvert. so far in both cases, it's looking kind of like democrats are going to cave. joining us now is heather mcgee. she's director of the washington office of demos. a nonprofit research and advocacy group. thanks for coming to the show.
>> thanks for having me. >> an independent agency to protect consumers seems like a very popular idea. why would republicans be fighting against it, and why would democrats want to abandon it? >> i'll take the easy one first. i really think that it's very popular, 75% of americans recognize that the banks and the payday lenders have been gouging them for years as the federal government has looked the other way, and really support a strong independent consumer protection agency. we have to realize that republicans and all people in congress have more than one set of constituents, they have the voters who are paying attention sometimes, and the donors and the lobbyists who are paying attention all the time. and they've been swarming congress for the past year, ever since the financial crisis trying to weaken and ultimately kill a consumer financial protection agency. >> those banks that have been trying to kill this thing, and they've been going at it with
hatchets from the beginning. what is it they're so afraid of, why are they fighting so hard against it. >> over the past 30 years there's been a radical experiment in financial deregulation across the board. at the consumer level, there's just a new wild west situation out there, where the banks, the payday lenders, the rent to own stores, the used auto dealers have just basically had very little oversight and they've profited from that regime. >> right. >> the financial crisis has absolutely shown that that was not only bad for consumers, it was bad for wall street, it was bad for the entire country. and they know that the jig is up, unless they can beat down a consumer protection agency. >> so then, what is your sense. and i know that you have been working with a lot of groups on the hill, what is your sense of where the consumer financial protection agency stands? >> i think we're at a very critical point. you mentioned health care, unfortunately, i really think that the financial reform battle
has been being waged in the shadow of health care. the american people shouldn't have to learn that there's a fight going on for their wallets from hidety montag and the snl presidents, but they have. i think most americans if they knew what the stakes were, that there were payday lenders and sub prime mortgage companies on one hand and a consumer financial protection agency on the other hand would be outraged. the democrats haven't been able to take the mike and make that contrast clear. and so we've got backroom deals right now, we really have senator dodd wants to make a deal, he's going to give away a real opportunity to make a very clear contrast and say, hey, this is what the democratic party stands for, and it's you, your family, your retirement savings and your home. republicans are trying to gut investor protections, consumer protections, they're trying to stand up for the sub prime lenders and the payday lenders. this should be a very easy
political fight. so i think if we can make that political fight more visible to the american people, and it's really just starting to heat up, then i think we're going to have a stronger hand to try to get this consumer agency passed. >> heather, maybe we can get a lady gaga video on the internet in favor of the agency. heather mcghee, thanks so much for joining us tonight. >> thanks, chris. up next, watch congressman eric massa make glenn beck's world fall apart. so allstate wi. switch to allstate, and your new agent will... help tell your old insurance company goodbye. saving you that uncomfortable breakup moment. and serious cash. drivers who switched saved an average of $396 a year. $473 if they dumped geico. breaking up is easy to do. ♪ remember when that's allstate's stand. are you in good hands? ♪
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still ahead, the issue that could tear apart the tea party movement. i'll tell you about that shortly. and "saturday night live" watch out. the folks in one new york town don't take lightly to you calling them a bunch of rock eaters. first, a few holy mackerel stories in today's news. all eyes and ears were on recently resigned congressman eric massa this afternoon, who made his first tv appearance since accusations were lobbed
against him last week. the salty old sailor appeared on the glenn beck show. beck's idea was to give over an entire hour of his show to a man who seemed poised to reveal the inner workings of the whole socialist community in charge of the country. he was going to name names. but then things did not go quite as beck had hoped. >> tell us what you know. make a difference now. pick up the shovel and show us where to throw the dirt. >> the most important thing that people can do is to get involved. i mean, it's that simple. >> no, no. no, no, no. you are in -- >> no -- >> please don't be a commercial. >> all right. >> everybody knows that. >> all right. >> people -- you're in. you claim that the system is corrupt. i agree with you. >> demand we do one thing in congress. and that's change campaign finance reform, nothing else
matters until we do that. until we do that, nothing will change. i don't know, that's my -- that to me is the number one issue facing america today. it really is. we won't change jobs, we won't change anything until that is changed. >> beck really really didn't know what to do with that. you could see his brain trying right in front of your eyes. i want names. on the left and the right we're always looking for villains, the bad guys who are screwing people over or screwing up the country. a lot of times the problems go much deeper than that. and the answers involve pretty boring sounding reforms like campaign finance. as glenn beck might expect a dirty hippie like myself to say, it's the system, man. it's the system. now, in one of the more colorful electoral races this year, charlie crist is in a b r
bare-knuckles primary fight for the senate. it's a job he thought he had locked up a year ago. his republican primary challenger leads him by more than 30 point notice latest poll. if there's one thing we know about desperate campaigns and desperate candidates, it's that they make really stupid mistakes. here's crist taking a jab at his opponent. >> he's trying to pawn himself off as a fiscal conservative. in recent weeks, he had a republican party of florida credit card, that he charged a $130 haircut, or maybe it was a back wax, we're not sure what all he got at that place. >> beyond just insinuating the hairiness of your opponent, is there a point here? >> you spend $130 for maybe a haircut, maybe other things, i don't know what you do at a
salon when you're a guy. >> well, you could tan there i suppose, but how would a regular old fellow like charlie crist know about that? >> i get my haircut for 11 bucks from a guy named carl the barber in saint peters burg, florida where i grew up. to me, that's real fiscal conservativism. >> finally. where a senate candidate gets his or her haircut would be rel van if the super cuts were a federally funded program. so long as a senator merely has to appropriate funds and confirm presidential appointments, crist is probably barking up the wrong palm tree on this one. marco rubio is the tea party approved candidate and the son of immigrants. more on why that does not compute later on in the show. and finally, even if you know nothing about hockey, you do know that canadians love it. i mean, they really really love it, and they are good at it too.
mario lemieux, wayne gretzky and sidney crosby who scored the winning goal for canada in its incredible gold medal match in this year's olympics. 80% of canadians were watching that game. not just as casual viewers either. we're drawn to water consumption in one canadian city during the game. it falls off drastically for face-off, first period ends and everyone runs to the bathroom. game's back on. players back on the ice? quick, hurry, bathrooms in edmonton are emptier than a sarah palin book signing at berkeley. the game goes into overtime, and then once again, it's back to being an acceptable time for a bathroom break. canadians are great at hockey, and if it were to be an olympic
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when liz cheney and bill crystal watch their smear campaign, i hoped it would finally be the tipping point, the at long last have you no decency moment when the washington establishment said enough. and it has occasion something of an attack of conscience from a number of prominent right wing lawyers who have come forward to condemn the witch hunt. the latest is lindsey graham who said, every time a defense lawyer fights to make the government do their job, that defense lawyer has made us all safer. the washington post is endorsing cheney, at least giving its endorsers a pretty nice platform. yesterday their newest columnist wrote a piece recapitulating the same garbage as cheney and bill
crystal have. i'm not going to repeat it, you've heard it all before. the column could hardly come as a surprise to washington post opinion editors, given since he was given his gig after publishing a book that defended the torture regime at length. we have witnessed our national conversation over national security grow so degraded that war crimes are debated on tv as if they were the gas tax. someone needs to say no more. if ted olson can do it, than washington post, can you do. really. we believe in you.
go back now to the tea party and you had pointed out that it is a very big tent. what part of that tent are you uncomfortable with? >> i was not looking to see tom tancredo on the stand calling himself a tea party guy. >> why? >> his mean spirited attitude. >> do you speak out against that? >> i have. and i've taken a lot of heat for it too. >> that's former republican house majority leader dick armey in his new job as head of freedom works, he's done his darnedest to unite the right wing coalition like deficits and bailouts and obama care, so they don't spend their time debating
issues like immigration. how long is that going to work? remember this reaction to former congressman and well known anti-immigrant activist at last month's tea party conference. >> mostly because i think we do not have a civics literacy test before people can vote in this country. people who could not even spell the word vote or say it in english. put a committed socialist i'd ideol oo gue in the white house. >> sure sounds like it.
as the white house vows to pass immigration reform and a group of proimmigration activists support reform. tea party activists are counting on support in the midterm is d grassroots advocacy group that focuses on policies of people of color. thanks for being here. >> great to be here. >> what has been your experience with tea party activists and immigration? is the tea party really just all about deficits? >> well, my sense is that this is going to be a case of two bad things that are going to go very badly together meaning the tea party activists on the one hand and nativist anti-imgraiths grant movement on the other. the anti-immigrant movement is in real decline in the country. lou dobbs is off the air. their turnout at meetings are low. so there's no real surprise
they're looking to get on the tea party bandwagon but i don't think that's going to work because it's going to divide the base of that movement. >> you say divide the base. when people think about immigration often they think about it dividing the democratic base. immigration is considered such a third rail of politics, i'm wondering can you make a political case for immigration reform? >> well, look, john mccain actually lost a number of states -- colorado, nevada, florida, new mexico -- in large part -- and this was a pro-immigrant candidate. in large part because latinos reacted viscerally to the demagoguery and anti-immigrant hate that was coming out of many candidates. and 20 out of 22 congressional candidates who took this anti-immigrant message on the road lost in 2008. so i think we've seen that the republican party faces a kind of long-term electoral suicide if it pursues this anti-immigrant course. some of the wiser heads like dick armey recognize that that's
the case. >> president obama is meeting with democratic senator chuck schumer and republican senator lindzy graham on thursday to discuss bipartisan immigration reform. do you believe immigration reform will pass? is this another example where we're talking bipartisan and it's just absolutely hopeless? >> no. i think there really is hope that we'll get this done this year. i mean, look, candidate obama promised the latino community over and over again that we would get immigration reform in the first year that he was president and that he'd put a stop to the terror and the raids and the deportations that are devastating communities all over this country. he has yet to deliver on that promise. the community is extremely restless, extremely angry. there's a lot of pressure on him to deliver. and there are parts of the republican party that recognize that they've got to take this issue off the table if they're going to have a long-term future. so i think there's real prospect for getting it done this year. >> do you think -- you said that there's a lot of anger about the policies. my sense is that a lot of things
have been continued in a way that have been deeply frustrating and angering to a lot of the groups that you work with. do you see a potential for latinos to just stay home in the midterms? howe has obama been on the -- even if he hasn't passed reform how has he been on enforcement issues and so forth? >> this administration has actually managed to deport more people in its first year in office than the last administration whereby the bush administration did in its last year in office. and that's a shock. it's a record level of enforcement. a thousand people a day are deported. so that anger is really building in the community, and i think there's a huge expectation that the president and the democrats who they helped to put in office are going to stand up and deliver. >> deback bhargava, director of the center of community for change. coming up on "countdown" exclusive interview with scott mcclellan who reacts to karl rove's book and karl rove's
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we turn now to our hellhole correspondent kent jones. hey there, kent. >> hi, chris. chris hayes, everybody. this is great. "saturday night live" is having such a good time skewering new york's gove another david paterson but i think they may have stepped on the wrong toes. check it out. >> governor, how are you going to fill out your remaining year in office? >> gel tour of upstate new york. hello like plattsburg in peekskill and speak at their town hall or whatever abandoned shoney's they huddle in. i'm going to give those rock eaters something to cheer about. those freaks love me up there,
seth. they find me refreshingly off. >> freaks, rock eaters, hellhole? mary foster is calling you out. >> why call it a hellhole? that felt a little weird. >>. >> that would be the honorable mary foster mayor of peekskill, new york, who during a real live press conference has now responded to a pretend shot by a comedian on a fake news staff. mayor foster even invited the writers to visit the hudson valley. hellhole, rock eaters? i think not. >> but we do think of ourselves as a hip city. we work very hard in not saying to other things to other people that could be viewed as offensive. >> here here. if i may, mayor foster, they probably picked it because of that combined "p" and "k" sound which is a guaranteed laugh like pickle or cupcake or porcupine. peekskill, right? but i digress. >> really, you shouldn't make fun of people. >> comedy